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We presently have five distinct lineages represented in the project.
1. I-P109/Y5621 Hambys
2. R1b-DF17 Hanbys
3. R1b-L21 Hanby
4. R1b-M269 Hamby
5. R1b1b2a1b Hamby
Lineage 1: The first lineage in our group is represented by three groups of Hambys, descendants of Francis Hamby of Maryland, and the Suffolk and Yorkshire branches of the Hamby family respectively. Haplogroup I1 is regarded by population geneticists are forming one of the three base populations of modern Europeans. Currently dated by Dr Ken Nordtvedt to be about 5,500 years old, the distribution of I1 today is concentrated in Scandinavia and northern Europe with its center being in southern Sweden. Within the British Isles, I1 is often referred to as an 'invader haplogroup' indicating Anglo-Saxon, Viking and Norman invasions during the Migration Periods. Current 37 and 67 marker matches suggest that the I-P109/Y5621 Hambys' place of origin in Scandinavia was in southern Sweden. I-P109/Y5621 Hambys are closely related (within a 1000 year time period) with the Chisholm clan of Scotland at the STR level. We have determined that this group of Hambys represents the lineage originating in Lincolnshire with Walter of Hamby in the early 12th century.
Lineage 2: This lineage is composed of three Hanbys and at 37 STR markers, their results suggest a shared common ancestor within the last 250-300 years, which accords with their known genealogy. They possess a unique set of alleles at DYS464, having a duplication at 464e and 464f. Their matches seem to indicate that their family's origins are probably in Ireland. They are positive for the SNP DF17. DF17 is a subclade of R1b-Z196, which is itself a subclade of R1b-P312. R1b-P312 is the concentrated in Western Europe. Its origin is still open to debate based on its current distribution, Z196 seems to have had its origin on the Iberian peninsula.
Lineage 3: This lineage is represented by two Hanbys and shows a tight genetic relationship with the current chief of Clan MacGregor in Scotland, Sir Macolm MacGregor, at 111 markers, suggesting a common ancestor within the last 400 years. The MacGregor clan and surname was banned in Scotland in 1603 by orders of King James VI on pain of death. Consequently many MacGregors changed their surnames, and it is possible that the Hanby surname in this case may have been a change of name for reasons of political persecution, although that remains to be definitively proven. The MacGregor clan now accepts as full clan members those who can show a close genetic relation to the clan chief, and this Hanby group certainly qualifies.
Lineage 4: This Hamby is in haplogroup R1b-M269 and shows distant matches with the English family from SC.
Lineage 5: This lineage is represented by one Hamby, and is in haplogroup R1b-P312. Mr. Hamby matches suggest a male line relation with the Hawkins family within a genealogical time frame.
So far, the results show that while some Hambys and Hanbys share common lineages, others do not. There are probably a variety of reasons for this, from name changes to adoptions and other NPEs to surnames with different origins. While most genealogical researchers note that the spellings of Hamby and Hanby are somewhat interchangeable in the historical records, so far the genetic evidence would suggest that they represent distinct surname origins. More testing various Hamby and Hanby lines is an absolute necessity to determine the origins and development of the various paternal lineages of Hambys and Hanbys in the world today and whether we are looking at variants or merely deviations. The difference between the two is crucial. A true variant is when a bearer of the name actually inscribes his or her name with a particular non-standard spelling. A deviation occurs when a clerk, priest or scribe writes down a non-standard spelling from an oral event. Obviously, most written records of names prior the 19th century involved a person orally communicating their name to a clerk or scribe. Oral communication introduces a great deal of uncertainty into the spelling of a name. A clerk wrote down what he thought he heard.
Whether this distinction will remain true as more Hambys and Hanbys are tested remains to be seen, and we welcome and encourage all Hambys and Hanbys and other possible variants and deviations of these surnames to join our project and discover our common root.
1. I-P109/Y5621 Hambys
2. R1b-DF17 Hanbys
3. R1b-L21 Hanby
4. R1b-M269 Hamby
5. R1b1b2a1b Hamby
Lineage 1: The first lineage in our group is represented by three groups of Hambys, descendants of Francis Hamby of Maryland, and the Suffolk and Yorkshire branches of the Hamby family respectively. Haplogroup I1 is regarded by population geneticists are forming one of the three base populations of modern Europeans. Currently dated by Dr Ken Nordtvedt to be about 5,500 years old, the distribution of I1 today is concentrated in Scandinavia and northern Europe with its center being in southern Sweden. Within the British Isles, I1 is often referred to as an 'invader haplogroup' indicating Anglo-Saxon, Viking and Norman invasions during the Migration Periods. Current 37 and 67 marker matches suggest that the I-P109/Y5621 Hambys' place of origin in Scandinavia was in southern Sweden. I-P109/Y5621 Hambys are closely related (within a 1000 year time period) with the Chisholm clan of Scotland at the STR level. We have determined that this group of Hambys represents the lineage originating in Lincolnshire with Walter of Hamby in the early 12th century.
Lineage 2: This lineage is composed of three Hanbys and at 37 STR markers, their results suggest a shared common ancestor within the last 250-300 years, which accords with their known genealogy. They possess a unique set of alleles at DYS464, having a duplication at 464e and 464f. Their matches seem to indicate that their family's origins are probably in Ireland. They are positive for the SNP DF17. DF17 is a subclade of R1b-Z196, which is itself a subclade of R1b-P312. R1b-P312 is the concentrated in Western Europe. Its origin is still open to debate based on its current distribution, Z196 seems to have had its origin on the Iberian peninsula.
Lineage 3: This lineage is represented by two Hanbys and shows a tight genetic relationship with the current chief of Clan MacGregor in Scotland, Sir Macolm MacGregor, at 111 markers, suggesting a common ancestor within the last 400 years. The MacGregor clan and surname was banned in Scotland in 1603 by orders of King James VI on pain of death. Consequently many MacGregors changed their surnames, and it is possible that the Hanby surname in this case may have been a change of name for reasons of political persecution, although that remains to be definitively proven. The MacGregor clan now accepts as full clan members those who can show a close genetic relation to the clan chief, and this Hanby group certainly qualifies.
Lineage 4: This Hamby is in haplogroup R1b-M269 and shows distant matches with the English family from SC.
Lineage 5: This lineage is represented by one Hamby, and is in haplogroup R1b-P312. Mr. Hamby matches suggest a male line relation with the Hawkins family within a genealogical time frame.
So far, the results show that while some Hambys and Hanbys share common lineages, others do not. There are probably a variety of reasons for this, from name changes to adoptions and other NPEs to surnames with different origins. While most genealogical researchers note that the spellings of Hamby and Hanby are somewhat interchangeable in the historical records, so far the genetic evidence would suggest that they represent distinct surname origins. More testing various Hamby and Hanby lines is an absolute necessity to determine the origins and development of the various paternal lineages of Hambys and Hanbys in the world today and whether we are looking at variants or merely deviations. The difference between the two is crucial. A true variant is when a bearer of the name actually inscribes his or her name with a particular non-standard spelling. A deviation occurs when a clerk, priest or scribe writes down a non-standard spelling from an oral event. Obviously, most written records of names prior the 19th century involved a person orally communicating their name to a clerk or scribe. Oral communication introduces a great deal of uncertainty into the spelling of a name. A clerk wrote down what he thought he heard.
Whether this distinction will remain true as more Hambys and Hanbys are tested remains to be seen, and we welcome and encourage all Hambys and Hanbys and other possible variants and deviations of these surnames to join our project and discover our common root.