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Hillmans of Sussex

Y DNA of Hillmans everywhere but especially in Sussex
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About us

16 Mar 2025 - added scholarship detail to background of this site

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October 2024 - First time tester's results are consistent with placement within the descendants of James Illman of West Grinstead, Sussex.  

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5 Sep 2024 - shipped a DNA kit to a first time tester 

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3 Sep 2024 - Free Y DNA kit offer

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6 January 2024 - Added a graphic to show where more Y DNA testers could help.

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17 June 2023 - Happy Father's Day tomorrow!  Added a graphic depiction of a paternal ancestral line with some generations supported by Y-DNA in the photos tab. 

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30 April 2023 - Keeps getting more accurate - some very distant cousin took or upgraded to a Big Y-700 test and their results created a new haplogroup I-FTB35542, born about 1707 AD.  This gave FamilyTreeDNA more data and they adjusted the years of birth of adjacent haplogroups, including that of our Sussex-based Hillmans.  James Illman's DNA-calculated year of birth moved from 1760 to 1762.  Actual is 1764.  Adding the updated picture to our photos tab.

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14 April 2023 - Our group doubled in size between April 6 to 14.  Thank you to the three new persons for joining us.  If you have not already done so then please let us know what you have learned about your Hillman line.

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7 April 2023 - Added a graphic that compares the 1764 infant christening record of James Illman and the "bell curve" with a 1760 "mean" value from the "Scientific Details" for his two Big Y-700 DNA-tested descendants.  Perhaps it is images such as this that will help illustrate the power of the Big Y-700 DNA test when they are working together with the newer "Discover" feature at FamilyTreeDNA.

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4 February 2023 - changed the profile picture to one of the St Georges church yard in West Grinstead, Sussex, England - 
By Antiquary - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0,https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=37660068


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End of 2022 - added a third administrator, Tyler Hillman, who brings years of experience in family history research.  A grandson of the late credentialled professional genealogist, Gordon Hillman.

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24 Oct 2022: In June 2022 FamilyTreeDNA introduced a new "Discover More" feature that is still in "beta" and can be accessed at
https://discover.familytreedna.com/.  You just need a haplogroup.  (If two cousins have both tested at the Big Y-700 level then they will likely have a recent common haplogroup.)  There are tabs that allow you to review the "Haplogroup Story", "Country Frequency", "Notable Connections", a "Migration Map", "Ancient Connections", a "Time Tree", "Suggested Projects", and "Scientific Details".   You may want to look at each of them in turn but the most exciting is the "Scientific Details" where you see a curve where the "Mean" represents "Birth Year for Most Recent Common Ancestor".  

Several observers have reported that often this feature generates a "Mean" birth year that is very similar to the birth year found in primary sources such as christening records or gravestones.  That happened for the Hillmans of Sussex as well, where our James Illman, christened 1 April 1764, appears to be the man who has a mean birth year of 1760.  ... that it was within four years was quite eye opening in demonstrating the power of Y DNA.  

Could this birth year represent someone else?  Never say never, but recall that two test takers are descendants of James Illman, each through a different one of his sons.  It can't be anyone born AFTER James, because both test takers have the same SNP [mutation], not found in any other man, represented by the haplogroup I-FTC36257.  

Could it be William, James' father, or could it be some earlier generation?  This seems unlikely - William was born decades earlier - but not impossible.  

One way to explore this is to test more Hillmans!  James had brothers.  If we can locate a descendant of his brother and he is a reasonably close match but does NOT have the mutation represented by I-FTC36257, then we would know that this mutation started with James Illman (1764-1835).  James would then represent an "anchor SNP", and it would be possible to give a yes/no answer to whether someone is descended from him.  

If we can learn the haplogroups of more and more Hillmans then, through Big Y-700 DNA testing, we can sort Hillmans into their places in their family trees with a greater degree of certainty even when traditional paper records fail.

It's a bit like playing "battle ship" where each "shot" (or Big Y-700 DNA test) has the potential for defining more of the shape of the family tree.  And you never hit a mine sweeper.

Join us!  An exciting new era of Y DNA-based genealogy awaits!

Sincerely,


Mori Hillman
mori underscore hillman at hotmail dot com
24 Oct 2022


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