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Jubbie Genealogy

Genetic Genealogy Project
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02/01/2021:

The most up-to-date nomenclature for the Jubbie paternal lineage at this current time is R-BY67014.


24/03/2018:

The Jubbie paternal lineage has been refined to a new subclade, the R-BY36234 terminal SNP.


24/10/2017:

A significant autosomal DNA match has been discovered which conclusively proves the genetic link between the Jubbie/Strange family and the Pickett/Piggott family.  This autosomal DNA match is 10.5cMs long across 1 segment, therefore the shared DNA segment can be classified as inherited-by-descent.  The mutual or common ancestor shared with this genetic match is William PICKETT/PIGGOTT (1725-1786) and Anne STAMP (1725-1803) from Chieveley/Hampstead Norris/Oare, in Berkshire England. 


This match proves the theory that George JUBBIE alias STRANGE (1893-1959) was the illegitimate son of Ellen STRANGE (1859-1913) and that Ellen Strange was the daughter of Mary PICKETT (1824-1878) and Henry Edward Strange. This is George Jubbie's maternal lineage.

...Mary PICKETT was the daughter of William PICKETT (1783-1849) and Ann SMITH (1781-1861).

...William was the son of Thomas PICKETT (1750-????) and Martha DUCKETT (1760-????).

...Thomas was the son of William PICKETT (1725-1786) and Anne STAMP (1725-1803).


This newly discovered match is documented by paper trail as being the descendant of James Pickett (1758-1832) and his wife Mary SLADE (1760-1821), this James was the brother of the above mentioned Thomas.  Therefore both brothers were sons of William Pickett and Ann Stamp.



19/10/2017:

There has been a new autosomal DNA match between one Jubbie kit and one Rogers atDNA kit.  According to the documentary paper trail, this  living Rogers individual is descended from Thomas Matthew Rogers 1565-1608 from Stratford-Upon-Avon Warwickshire  England.  


This new match is significant because of the pre-existing yDNA matches with several other Rogers descendants, particularly those descended from James Rogers, who was also born at Statford-Upon-Avon in Warwickshire England, in 1815, and later died in Stratford Connecticut America. 


It seems that Thomas Rogers and James Rogers were both from the same Rogers family.  Therefore, this new Rogers atDNA match when considered alongside the earlier Rogers yDNA matches,  infers that George Jubbie's paternal lineage is indeed genetically related to this Rogers family at some point in the past, somewhere between 1893 and 1600, or perhaps even further beyond.  Further genetic links will need to be discovered to pinpoint the exact individual and exact point in the past that the DNA link to this Rogers family was born.



29/01/2016:

The Jubbie paternal lineage has been refined to a new subclade, the R-A5000 terminal SNP.


25/01/2016:

Based on recent research the current hypothesis is that Lizzie Mary Thomas (1892-1959) was most likely the 5th child of Phoebe Davies and Thomas Thomas.  The dates and locations are certainly a match, as is the name of the reputed father.  If the hypothesis is proved correct then Catherine Davies, that fostered Lizzie Mary circa 1896, would in fact have been her great-aunt (half-blood).  Please read below for the details behind this hypothesis.


Catherine Davies (1843-1933) had an older half-sister named Mariah Davies (1839-1899).  Mariah was the daughter of Howell Davies (1804-1881) and his 1st wife Mary Morris (1802-1840).  Catherine was the daughter of Howell Davies (1804-1881) and his 2nd wife, also named Mary Morris (1810-1890).  In 1864 Mariah had an illegitimate daughter Phoebe Davies (1864-1901) born at Llangendeirne and reputed to be the daughter of one Daniel Robert[s] (1845-????).   Then, in 1865 Mariah married William Protheroe (1838-1907) at Llangendeirne and they had 8 children together, 4 sons and 4 daughters.  These 8 children were half-siblings of the illegitimate Phoebe Davies.


Then, in 1885 Phoebe married one Thomas Thomas (1864-1907) at Carmarthen and they had at least 4 children together, 2 sons and 2 daughters:  1.  Margaret Anne Thomas (1885-1941) was born at Llangendeirne and married David Rosser (1885-1946) at Llanelly in 1907.  They had up to 8 children, 5 boys and 3 girls, all born at Pontyates near Llanelly.  2.  Elizabeth Thomas (1887-1931) was born at Llanelly and married William Smith (1883-????) at Llanelly in 1907.  They had at least 2 daughters, both born at Burryport near Llanelly.  3.  Thomas John Thomas (1890-????) was born at Llanelly and it is so far unknown when or where he married, and when or where he died.  These details are currently unknown simply due to him having both a common forename and a common surname, This makes it difficult to identify the correct person in the historical records.  4.  David Thomas (1891-1891) was born and died in Llanelly, he died an infant somewhere between the age of  7 months old to  12 months old.  5.  Lizzie Mary Thomas (1892-1959) born 3rd June 1892 at Llangendeirne, fostered by Catherine Davies at Llangendeirne circa 1896, married George Jubbie at Carmarthen in 1913 and died at Pinxton Derbyshire in 1959.


The process of searching further documentation is now underway to test this hypothesis. The theory is sound but documentary evidence is needed to prove or disprove it.

29/10/2015:

Another new autosomal match joined the project.  It transpires that this match is a previously unknown grandchild of George Jubbie & Lizzie Thomas, via an NPE from one of George and Lizzie Jubbie's children.  This provides useful new autosomal information for furthering this research, but more importantly it has allowed this individual to discover the true identity of their birth father, a paternal lineage which was previously unknown to them for various reasons!


27/07/2015:

A new autosomal match joined the project, a transfer from AncestryDNA, and a known great-great-grandchild of George Jubbie & Lizzie Thomas and matches as parent and child with one member and grandparent and grandchild with another. This provides the project with additional autosomal data to use to eventually phase a profile for George Jubbie or Lizzie Mary Thomas 

A new yDNA match also joined the project with 65 out of 67 markers, but also appearing to be related as a first or second cousin to another project member both of whom had an NPE in their ancestry. This is a very exciting development for these two members and should help them to discover their common ancestor.  It is unclear at the present time what this means for the related matches to the Jubbie lineage, but possibly pushes it back as a much more ancient genetic link than originally thought.


21/07/2015:

A new yDNA match with 25 out of 25 markers joined the project.  This match also descends from the Rogers family of Stratford-upon-Avon, England in the 1600s. This result has since been upgraded to 35 out of 37 markers yDNA markers. Yet more evidence of a link to this family.


25/06/2015:

One new yDNA match with 34 out of 37 markers joined the project, but this was a match with another surname so the common ancestor is so far unknown and lost to history.


05/03/2015:

The first set of BigY SNP results were recently received from one member of this project. The BigY is a paternal lineage test that investigates the yDNA deep clade of paternal ancestors.  The recently received results from this test uncovered a new mutation, otherwise known as a novel variant, under the existing R-CTS4065 subclade SNP, and this novel variant has been identified at S16864.  This new mutation is currently found in just one other known BigY tester and several unknown Chromo2Chip and BritainsDNA testers.  It appears to be located at position 15204254, from C to A.  Therefore, if and when further testers are proven to have this same novel variant within their genomes, then a new subclade SNP will be created for it underneath R-CTS4065 on the yDNA Phylogenetic Tree.  As interesting as this is though, it is unfortunately of no present use towards solving the puzzle of the paternal ancestry of George Jubbie alias Strange.


05/12/2014:

An autosomal Family Finder was found to match closely with one project member as a 1st-cousin-once-removed (grandchild of George Jubbie alias Strange and Lizzie Mary Thomas alias Davies).  The two individuals share a total of 419 centiMorgans (cMs) with a longest block of 67 cMs, and across 32 shared segments of autosomal DNA (atDNA).  The largest shared segments of atDNA are found within chromosome 1 (26cM & 67cM), chromosome 3 (26cM), chromosome 4 (11cM), chromosome 8 (42cM), chromosome 10 (24cM), chromosome 12 (8cM & 20cM), chromosome 14 (12cM & 53cM), chromosome 18 (11cM), and chromosome 20 (53cM).  These segments are identical-by-descent (I.B.D.) while the smaller segments on remaining chromosomes are identical-by-state (I.B.S.).  This genetic information will provide the project with additional data for further research, and thus eventually enable us to identify other potential atDNA relations of George Jubbie alias Strange and/or Lizzie Mary Thomas alias Davies.  


14/11/2014:

After an exhaustive search of the Civil Registration Indexes of Births for England and Wales, we might have found the birth entry that was originally registered for the abandoned orphan George Jubbie alias George Strange, 1893-1959. Please navigate your way to the 'Background Tab' above for up-to-date details of this.


08/08/2014:

There have been no new results recently but please be assured that if there are any further developments then they will be updated here.


08/06/2014:

Although not shown within this projects pages, two project members recently matched each other via the autosomal Family Finder test, as 2nd cousins, and shared a total of 196 centiMorgans (cM) across 24 shared segments of autosomal DNA (atDNA).  The largest shared segments of atDNA are found within chromosome 1 (26cM), chromosome 4 (13cM), chromosome 8 (46cM), chromosome 12 (13cM) and chromosome 14 (57cM).  These larger segments are probably identical by descent (I.B.D.) while the smaller segments in the remaining chromosomes will instead be identical by state (I.B.S.).  This useful data, available via the Chromosome Browser at FTDNA, will provide the project with a 'genetic baseline' for the future, and thus in the future will enable us to identify further potential atDNA relations of George Jubbie and/or Lizzie Mary Thomas.  


21/05/2014:

Some individual SNP test results were recently received from FTDNA and these now show that three project members share the same Y-DNA SNP, known as R-CTS4065. The same three project members had already previously matched each other at the 65/67 marker level, and so these shared SNP designations are quite significant as this provides further evidence that there is shared ancestry along the paternal lineage.


22/04/2014:

The haplotype for the maternal line of Lizzie Mary Thomas alias Davies has been updated to H3k1a. This is characterized by the rCRS coding region variation of A12217G and also by the coding region mutation of G33591A which appears to be a 'new branch' defining mutation.  This is according to new mtDNA Full Genomic Sequence results which are in line with the most recent mtDNA phylogenetic tree, build 16, dated 19 February 2014, on the Phylotree.Org website and also according to predictive research by Nelly Hymen the group administrator of the H3 mtDNA Full Genomic Sequence mtGenome Project.  The H3 haplogroup is the second most frequently occurring maternal haplotype, mostly found in Western Europe.  The updated mtFullGenomeSequence results should allow us to narrow the reliability of genetic matches in the maternal line to within the last 125 years and with 95% confidence.


31/03/2014:

The haplotype for George Jubbie's paternal line was updated to R-CTS4065.  This is according to the experimental Y phylogeny at Chris Morley's Y-SNP subclade Predictor  on the Morley Y-DNA Project website.


28/02/2014:

Circumstantial evidence is pointing towards the "Rogers" family surname as being one that George Jubbie is possibly descended from. This is based on a small cluster of y-DNA matches in which Rogers is a frequently recurring surname.  There are 8 Rogers matches at 12 markers of which 2 are also at 25 markers and 1 is also at 37 markers. There is also 1 Roettger match at 37 markers and crucially there is one other match at 67 markers whose most distant ancestor was also surnamed Rogers.  


12/02/2014:

The Y-haplotype for George Jubbie's paternal line has again been updated to R-Z220 .  This is due to the release of the recently updated Y-SNP haplogroup tree, version 9.21, dated 7th February 2014, on the ISOGG website


17/01/2014:

Due to new test results from National Geographic's Genographic Project being transferred to FTDNAs database the y-DNA haplogroup for George Jubbie alias Strange has now been updated from R-M269 to the much deeper clade of R-CTS4065 or R-P310 according to FTDNAs haplotree.


13/12/2013:

According to the fictional chapter written by Brian Sykes (2001) The 'H' haplogroup or 'Helena Clan' (Helena is greek for 'light') was descended from one of the seven clan daughters of 'Mitochondrial Eve'. This clan mother 'Helena' was supposedly born 20,000 years ago near Perpignan in the valleys of Dordogne and Vezere between northern Spain and southern France. She was contemporary with the Gravetiian tool making culture of that time and was a typical hunter-gatherer but who also harvested oysters from the lagoons of Carmargue to supplement the diet. Helena's clan originally came from the Middle East, they migrated along the Mediterranean coast and on into Europe and to this day their direct descendants can still be found living within the Basque region. The clan also migrated across France and reached England's shores approximately 12,000 years ago. A 12,000 year old skeleton discovered at Gough's Cave (aka Cheddar Cave) in Somerset England was found to have DNA matching that of the Helena Clan.  

(Sykes, Brian, (2001), The Seven Daughters of Eve. Bantam Press of Transworld Publishers:London, pp 221-234)


12/12/2013:

mtDNAplus details have been added to the project which trace the maternal line back to Lizzie Mary Thomas alias Davies and beyond. Two of them are of interest; one at HVR2 level which is within the 'H' haplogroup ('H' for Helena) then just one at HVR1 level contained a marker from Matlock Derbyshire England, dating back to the mid-to-late 1600s.  Unfortunately, these results are too broad (50% confident) to match a recent common ancestor less than 700 years ago!  Upgrade will be needed to the mtFullSequence to narrow the reliability of matches to within the last 125 years and 95% confidence.


08/11/2013: 

The project contains three interesting yDNA matches, all with a genetic distance of two from each other, matching 65 out of 67 markers.  These matches vary from each other on different alleles, CDYa (36/37), DYS 456 (15/16), and DYS459b (9/10).  Further investigation will be required to research their family trees as far back as possible to find the most recent common ancestor. 



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